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June 11, 2007

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Brian Rossini

Here's a WHOLE TRUTH from a real person using the Arcteryx gear often.

I spend a lot of time in snowy or rainy places for fun, and am in the rain for Search and Rescue (Santa Barbara County) as well. I always use my AlphaSV jacket for protection when I can, unless I have to use the jacket with the badge for SAR. I purchased the Alph SV jacket many years ago. It was replaced on warranty a few weeks ago by a friendly enough crowd for some delamination issues, but I noticed differences and wrote the below email before doing any research about the current state of Arcteryx. After reading this blog, I understand why I found the design and construction issues I wrote about. I hope the Arcteryx crowd can band together and gain some value back from this company by staging an outcry heard round the nation. Can that happen? People would have to work hard to do it, and work hard for a few years...maybe the old Arcteryx employees could make it happen, but I don't know how many are left...and they'd need to start over. Would I support them? Yes. Would you? Yes.

I have a very obvious gmail address if you want to try to reach me. It should take you a single try.


On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Brian Rossini wrote:

Hi Mr. Howell,

I wrote this to Finn yesterday, but I haven't been hearing anything from him recently. In case he's on vacation I wanted to pass it on to someone else.

Have a great day,


- Brian Rossini

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Brian Rossini
Date: Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: Alpha SV question
To: Finn.Purcell at arcteryx.com


Hey Finn,

I got that red jacket, it's pretty cool. Very light.

I wanted to ask some questions about it because it's pretty different from my last one in some ways (which was about 3 or 4 years older if I had to guess)

First, kind of prefacing the questions, I'm wondering if Arc'teryx went through any kind of shift in production style/values/QC over the last few years?


1) Hood drains into jacket: The hood doesn't effectively seal out vertical rainwater anymore...when the head circumferential elastic drawstring is pulled, it causes the visor part of the hood to pull in towards my head in a way that forms gutters on either side of the visor that channel water directly down into the throat/neck portion of the jacket. This seems to happen because of additional material added to the neck/head circumference of the hood.


2) The front zipper is watertight as ever, but it gets caught nearly 100% of the time on loosely stitched fabric on the inside of the upper lapel at the bend where the fabric transitions from in front of the chest to the neck/chin area. I think the bunching fabric is on the left side of the zipper from the wearer's perspective.
On the previous jacket I could zip it up and never worry about the zipper becoming caught on material, but with this new one I have to use my other hand to carefully keep material from bunching under the zipper where it transitions in front of my neck. This is similar to what happens on cheap sleeping-bags, material getting caught in the zipper.
I fear that I will eventually wear a hole in this fabric, but more immediately it is just hard to zip it up reliably because there is too much bunching fabric there.


3) Fit. This jacket billows much more than the previous jacket. It seems like there is additional material in the deltoid/upper-arm area, and a larger diameter neck. This may be the cause cause of increased difficulty in adjusting the hood to reduce facial exposure. The previous jacket seemed more fitted. It almost feels like the jackets went up a size. I did check to make sure this jacket is a medium, not a large:)

4) The elastic and stitching in the cuffs seem like a design compromise, the previous design was really nice. This is not a problem, but I did want to comment on it. This is part of what led me to question any kind of re-structuring or shift in style/values, as if trying to be more economical or switching stitching factories.


Let me know if I should just live with these things... I'm not sure there's anything I can do about this if all the jackets are like this now.

- Brian Rossini


Big Jim

First off... Arcteryx employs Asian sewers in it's manufacturing facilities... so either way, made in Canada or made in China, an Asian is building your gear.

Secondly, there is a phenomenal company called Westcomb (formed by ex-Arcteryx employees!) that still builds all their stuff in Vancouver. Check them out - their stuff is bomber and built for core consumers. (And oh yeah, their manufacturing is done by Asians as well).

Last thing... I have spent far and wide in order to find the best gear, and I keep returning to Patagonia. Their merino wool products are slowly taking over my closet. At the end of the day, they are a responsible company that is upfront about everything they do, and when it comes down to it, they err on the side of doing the right thing. You can't ask for more than that from a business.

Vote with your dollars!

Kelso

So does anyone have any suggestions on alternative brands that I should be buying from. I see a few suggestions (Westcomb, MEC, Patagonia) but wondering what other ideas people might have.

Thanks

KD

I am Canadian Chinese, have experience working with factories in China and visited them many times. I agree that the environmental law and control is lagging behind in China. I am not going to guess what kind of standard and practice that Arcteryx has oversea as we would never know the truth. However, I believe that the whole purpose of outsourcing is all about ROI. Other than providing a quality product, Arcteryx is here to make money, let's be realistic. If they continue to produce everything in Vancouver, we will all be happy, but they would not survive as the volume just isn't high enough. Same applies to many, many industries. I challenge you to find a home phone and cell phone that's made in North America. In fact, try finding 5 things in Bestbuy or Futureshop that's made in NA. Outsourcing oversea will always happen as any company grew larger overtime, as there's simply not enough volume to support the high NA overhead. Outsourcing is about survival for As many already said, some companies are still able to control the quality even made oversea. However, with first hand experience, it's very, very difficult to do so as you cannot afford sending many North American living oversea long term to follow up on all quality issues. The difference is not about the nationality of the person who done the sewing, but their mentality, their understanding and caring of quality. It's all due to how they were taught since birth. It takes a long time to "brain wash" your entire factory if you are hiring local workers, especially frequent movement of factory workers is not uncommon oversea. Outsourcing issues is a lot more complicated that just maintaining quality control.

I personally do not like products made in China more than those written before me. I second guess their quality, called me stereotype. However, I do feel there is greed in Arcteryx for keeping their high prices even for products made in China. I had a very hard time spending that much money on a made in China jacket, even in their outlet store in North Vancouver.

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